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[Talk] Learning Chinese is hard =(

看板EngTalk (全英文聊天)作者 (huggie)時間17年前 (2008/05/21 09:51), 編輯推噓2(2推 0噓 19→)
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Yes I'm learning Chinese. Except that I am a native Taiwanese and I'm learning Hakka. I've just got started, but I can't even get the tones right. We know that Mandarine has four tones. Hakka I am learning (四縣 dialect) has six tones. Two of those are the so called "Entering sounds" 入聲. They're the "stops" if you know a little phonetics. Technically they not tones in themselves, but classified as tones traditionally, perhaps because they do have the accompanying tones, which may fall, or not fall, in the range of other non-stop tones. OK the entering sounds, they're difficult, I can sometimes pronounce them, sometimes not. But at least their actual "tones" is not a problem for me. For the rest of the four tones, the first three tones sound pretty much the same as in Marndarin. It's the fourth tones that's really giving me a headache. Sometimes it sounds like the fourth tone in Mandarine, sometimes it doesn't! I can't see why both are all lumped to the same tone. Or maybe the real tone of it depends on the tone immediately prior to or after it. I certainly haven't discovered a rule yet. In phonetic class back in college, I know that sometimes a phoneme may appear to be the same to a native speaker, when to a foreign speaker they're two. (Well, because they're really two!) Perhaps same thing occur for the Hakka tone also. It makes me wonder if the four tones for Mandarin area different depending on context. Any foreigner learning Chinese here to have a say? -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 61.64.139.164
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05/21 10:40, , 1F
I think the entering sound just like -k, -p, -t in Eng.
05/21 10:40, 1F
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05/21 10:41, , 2F
like kick, keep, kit, but the don't pronounce the k,p,t
05/21 10:41, 2F
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05/21 11:01, , 3F
Yup, you're right.
05/21 11:01, 3F
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05/21 11:01, , 4F
It's hard for me to distinguish with ear though.
05/21 11:01, 4F
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05/21 11:02, , 5F
And I know a little Taiwanese. I have to "think" in
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05/21 11:03, , 6F
Taiwanese to get the sound right. (at least some of the
05/21 11:03, 6F
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05/21 11:03, , 7F
times)
05/21 11:03, 7F
※ 編輯: huggie 來自: 140.129.160.62 (05/21 11:04) ※ 編輯: huggie 來自: 140.129.160.62 (05/21 11:05)
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05/23 14:28, , 8F
Hakka as I am, I can't sometimes tell what the
05/23 14:28, 8F
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05/23 14:29, , 9F
woman in the ICRT Hakka teaching time is saying
05/23 14:29, 9F
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05/23 14:30, , 10F
but I won't say she's wrong
05/23 14:30, 10F
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05/23 14:31, , 11F
I'm not that into Hakka linguistics...I can not
05/23 14:31, 11F
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05/23 14:32, , 12F
help you 囧>
05/23 14:32, 12F
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05/23 16:22, , 13F
Taiwan Hakka can be roughly classified into five kinds
05/23 16:22, 13F
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05/23 16:23, , 14F
It could be that ICRT one is diff. from yours.
05/23 16:23, 14F
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05/23 16:24, , 15F
The tone I'm having trouble getting is not diff. enough
05/23 16:24, 15F
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05/23 16:24, , 16F
to be incomprehensible.
05/23 16:24, 16F
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05/23 16:35, , 17F
Anyway, it is fun learning it. I'm still trying. ︿︿
05/23 16:35, 17F
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07/23 21:54, , 18F
Is there tone sandhi going on? I know there is for
07/23 21:54, 18F
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07/23 21:54, , 19F
Taiwanese
07/23 21:54, 19F
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07/23 21:55, , 20F
As for your question on Mandarin, a lot of
07/23 21:55, 20F
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07/23 21:56, , 21F
foreigners have trouble distinguishing 2 + 3 tones
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