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[選校] Weill Cornell vs UT at Houston

看板studyabroad (留學)作者 (maplelily)時間14年前 (2012/04/04 13:12), 編輯推噓15(15推 0噓 64→)
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最近學校都陸續在放榜了! 很幸運的, 我收到了兩所我都非常喜歡的學校的錄取通知. 現在非常的苦惱, 不知道該選哪一所學校. 希望板友能給我一點意見!! 1. Weill/Cornell University BMCB program (affiliates with Sloan Kettering) 2. UT at Houston/MD Anderson GSBS program 兩所學校都有fellowship + tuition waived 我的興趣是癌症研究, 而兩所學校在癌症領域的知名度都相當的高! 我想請問一下這兩所學校對於phD學生的訓練有沒有什麼不同的地方? 可否也請學長姐分享一下學校的優缺點? 感激不盡!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 我問我的PI(美國人)同樣的問題, 他只回答我說: "選一個你想住的城市吧" 囧 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 98.234.243.81
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04/04 13:30, , 1F
選城市這個建議真是相當中肯。
04/04 13:30, 1F
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04/04 14:13, , 2F
Weill is better.
04/04 14:13, 2F
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04/04 14:23, , 3F
basic research MSKCC 大勝
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04/04 15:33, , 4F
羨慕原PO 兩個都是好地方....
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04/04 15:34, , 5F
有人說anderson臨床強 MSKCC基礎強....
04/04 15:34, 5F
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04/04 17:07, , 6F
原PO真強悍!!!
04/04 17:07, 6F
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04/05 02:12, , 7F
純basic的話sloan K確實較強，臨床的話sloan K/MD anderson
04/05 02:12, 7F
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04/05 02:13, , 8F
不相上下，但要注意的是德州因為通過一個天文數的cancer
04/05 02:13, 8F
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04/05 02:14, , 9F
initiative (3B, 10 years since 2009）所以德州境內的學校
04/05 02:14, 9F
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04/05 02:15, , 10F
都受惠，也因為這樣UT持續的挖走各領域的大師，回文有人說
04/05 02:15, 10F
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的Rob Depinho，Scripps剛拿到Nobel prize的Bruce Beutler
04/05 02:15, 11F
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04/05 02:16, , 12F
以目前NIH的窘境，加州很多的lab都受惠於同樣也是州民公投
04/05 02:16, 12F
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04/05 02:16, , 13F
的inititative叫CIRM，很多lab都在跟CIRM搶錢過活，
04/05 02:16, 13F
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04/05 02:17, , 14F
德州的這個initiative會讓德州學校的lab多一個funding管道
04/05 02:17, 14F
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04/05 02:18, , 15F
在這個$$決定一切的時機其實德州是很佔優勢的
04/05 02:18, 15F
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04/05 04:32, , 16F
謝謝各位的建議! 我其實對於臨床研究非常有興趣, 但是
04/05 04:32, 16F
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04/05 04:34, , 17F
我PI建議phD的訓練應該著重於基礎,太早就走臨床研究不一
04/05 04:34, 17F
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04/05 04:36, , 18F
定對未來有幫助...不知道各位對於這建議有何看法?
04/05 04:36, 18F
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04/05 13:04, , 19F
你有 MD 背景嗎? 如果沒有 你所謂的"臨床研究"指得是
04/05 13:04, 19F
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04/05 13:05, , 20F
甚麼呢?
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04/05 13:06, , 21F
另外德州的確是很有錢挖了很多人 但是至少我認識
04/05 13:06, 21F
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04/05 13:07, , 22F
depinho lab 的人說他搬去當 president 之後 大概兩周
04/05 13:07, 22F
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04/05 13:07, , 23F
會回信一次 一個月可以見到他一次
04/05 13:07, 23F
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04/05 13:08, , 24F
大師的實驗室 未必是理想的環境 關鍵還是你要開始寄信
04/05 13:08, 24F
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04/05 13:08, , 25F
給你有興趣的 PI 看哪邊機會比較多 才能做決定
04/05 13:08, 25F
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04/05 13:09, , 26F
不然光看整體聲譽或是 funding 意義不大
04/05 13:09, 26F
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04/05 20:51, , 27F
DePinho is a good PI, but his lab probably is not a good
04/05 20:51, 27F
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04/05 20:51, , 28F
lab. it doesn't matter whether he is in Boston or Houson
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04/05 20:52, , 29F
Funding is important, but there is something money can't
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04/05 20:57, , 30F
buy - location, culture, and reputation. I will take NYC
04/05 20:57, 30F
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over Houston if everything else is similar. So do other
04/05 20:58, 31F
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04/05 20:59, , 32F
postdocs and faculties... That is why schools in the
04/05 20:59, 32F
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middle of nowhere (aka midwest [sadly]) struggle so much
04/05 20:59, 33F
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04/05 21:00, , 34F
and that is why schools in the deep south red state have
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to out-bid (overpay) coasty schools to get big fish.
04/05 21:03, 35F
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04/05 22:15, , 36F
這回到大lab/小lab的選擇了..有些人就是希望進大lab有有名的
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PI當老闆，我朋友在Wong lab念master，(yes, Director Wong）
04/05 22:16, 37F
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04/05 22:17, , 38F
他說大概4-6個月可以跟老闆坐下來講一次話，但學生還是源源
04/05 22:17, 38F
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04/05 22:17, , 39F
不絕的湧向他的lab...扯遠了，我覺得在進PhD前真的很難想像
04/05 22:17, 39F
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04/05 22:18, , 40F
選定的lab會是怎樣的lab，有時看faculty page screening
04/05 22:18, 40F
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結果實際去rotation發現跟想的都不一樣
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回到原主題，我覺得lovenainai has a good point
04/05 22:19, 42F
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04/05 22:28, , 43F
尤其是什麼叫＂臨床研究＂我也很想知道是指什麼
04/05 22:28, 43F
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04/05 22:29, , 44F
因為sloan K跟MDA剛好就是cancer界的兩大強權，所以只要進去
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04/05 22:30, , 45F
找一個cancer lab（cancer bio, cancer therapeautics...）
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04/05 22:30, , 46F
應該都算是跟臨床相關的研究吧？
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04/05 22:30, , 47F
最後補一句，醫界所謂的＂臨床研究＂其實是based on 生統,
04/05 22:30, 47F
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04/05 22:31, , 48F
一般來講不算wet lab...（除非你把GWAS SNP那些也算進去）
04/05 22:31, 48F
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04/06 01:11, , 49F
就算是 GWAS 也不能算是 wet 吧....XD
04/06 01:11, 49F
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04/06 01:12, , 50F
另外大lab有名的PI 管理實驗室的方式可能很不一樣
04/06 01:12, 50F
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04/06 01:13, , 51F
有人是完全不管都丟給 postdoc 有人是不論如何都會固定
04/06 01:13, 51F
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04/06 01:13, , 52F
每周花時間搞清楚實驗室的人在做甚麼
04/06 01:13, 52F
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04/06 01:14, , 53F
so..you never know 還是多寫信問問那邊的人比較實在吧
04/06 01:14, 53F
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04/06 02:27, , 54F
Junior faculty 不一定事情就比 senior PI 少.. 特別是美國現
04/06 02:27, 54F
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04/06 02:27, , 55F
在的文化是靠 junior faculty 在 run department .. 一堆垃圾
04/06 02:27, 55F
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04/06 02:28, , 56F
雜事都落在資淺的人身上.. 怎麼 run 實驗室跟 lab size 大小
04/06 02:28, 56F
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04/06 02:29, , 57F
未必直接相關, 跟 PI 自己的心態跟觀念關係比較大. 只是年輕
04/06 02:29, 57F
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04/06 02:29, , 58F
的 PI 有升等壓力 只要跟緊一點 但這算不算 "關心" 就難說了
04/06 02:29, 58F
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04/06 02:33, , 59F
如何選 PI 選 Lab 大概比選學校更複雜更沒通則..
04/06 02:33, 59F
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04/06 03:03, , 60F
GWAS至少要抽個DNA跑個pcr之類的。。。勉強啦XD
04/06 03:03, 60F
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04/06 15:22, , 61F
I'm more interested in translational research like
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04/06 15:24, , 62F
cancer thetaputics.
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However, some people told me that a phd student
04/06 15:26, 63F
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should focus more on basic science training....
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Anyway, I think is all depends on the lab I'm going
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to. I think I will just start contacting the PIs in
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both institutions. Thank you all for your advice!
04/06 15:45, 67F
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04/07 01:45, , 68F
I'll say that is not totally true. Translational stuides
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are the trend of NIH funding, that's why everybody is
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trying to work on something appearing to be translational
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but not really is. It requires quite a different mindset
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to do good translational research than basic research.
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04/07 01:48, , 73F
If you are interested in translational, then start early.
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Get trained in basic research won't help the most to your
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goal. You need to be exposed to the most recently
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developed techniques on the application end...
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for example, TALENs on genome editing to cure diseases...
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04/19 17:34, , 78F
不知道你決定了沒 不過歡迎來Houston唷 :)
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