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[問題] 請教一個主動詞一致的問題(who)

看板teaching (教材板)作者 (回憶的沙漏)時間13年前 (2011/03/08 23:26), 編輯推噓13(13推 0噓 55→)
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問個「超級翰將」講義第一冊碰到的文法問題 Who is/are Tom and John playing with? 我覺得是are，因為主詞明顯是Tom and John, 那個who是經由Wh-movement (學過syntax的老師就知道了，囧)才到前面的， 應該是受詞，可以寫成whom。 但是講義寫is，學校也有老師說答案是is... 為什麼? Who are you talking about 的are, 不也是因為you 嗎？也不會因為who 變成is吧...@@ 覺得要用is的老師 理由不外乎說who是個不知道是單數還是複數的主詞 所以要視為單數 我覺得如果說who視為單數的話， 應該也要是who當主詞的時候， 例如下一句 Who is playing with John and Tom? 至於是不是主詞，把它放在間接問句就知道了... 1 I was wondering [Who Tom and John "are" playing with.] 這句用is明顯是不行的，可知John and Tom才是主詞。 2 I was wondering [Who is playing with John and Tom.] 這句不能用are,因為這句who是主詞， 在不知道是誰的情況下視為單數。 以上是我的分析 所以我認為 Who is/are Tom and John playing with? 應該用are才對 應該是講義寫錯了... 不知道各位老師的意見如何？ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 123.192.2.28
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03/09 00:13, , 1F
are + 1
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03/09 00:23, , 2F
are + 1
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03/09 09:16, , 3F
are+1
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03/09 10:23, , 4F
同意原PO的分析
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03/09 12:10, , 5F
真是感動...終於有人看法跟我一樣了(泣)...
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03/09 12:10, , 6F
只是資深老師也很堅持啊...真不知怎麼開口...(囧rz)
03/09 12:10, 6F
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03/09 18:43, , 7F
are +1
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03/09 22:01, , 8F
請問一下~原波所說的 I was wondering [Who is
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03/09 22:02, , 9F
playing with John and Tom 文法是正確的嗎?
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03/09 22:04, , 10F
因為我想說who後面是不是該倒裝?
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03/09 22:04, , 11F
可是我又不知這句該如何倒裝?@@
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03/09 23:01, , 12F
回H大：其實您的問題正是現在困擾許多國中生的問題
03/09 23:01, 12F
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03/09 23:02, , 13F
我以前當學生時也曾問呢！
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03/09 23:02, , 14F
我都是這樣教學生的：wh-片語領導的名詞子句
03/09 23:02, 14F
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03/09 23:02, , 15F
須遵循Wh-+S+V的形式，所以只要找出一個句子的主詞與動詞
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03/09 23:02, , 16F
一定可以寫出正確的名詞子句
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03/09 23:03, , 17F
Who is playing with John and Tom?
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03/09 23:03, , 18F
您的回答會是下列哪句?
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03/09 23:03, , 19F
1 Mary is playing with John and Tom.
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2 John and Tom are playing with Mary.
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我想最針對問句的回答方式應該是1吧！
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所以可知原問句who是主詞，寫成間接問句時
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03/09 23:04, , 23F
Wh = who 主詞= 還是who 動詞= is
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所以I was wondering [Who is playing with John and Tom
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03/09 23:05, , 25F
是正確的寫法，至於你說的主動詞倒裝很困擾@@
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03/09 23:05, , 26F
我整理如下，譬如說合併以下兩句
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I was wondering...和 Who does John love?
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分析後句，因為who本是John的受詞，他不是主詞
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03/09 23:06, , 29F
主詞是John,動詞是love，正解為,根據 Wh+S+V
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I was wondering who John loves.
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比較下句，一樣合併兩句
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I was wondering...Who loves John?
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03/09 23:07, , 33F
分析後句，主詞你覺得是who還是John?
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不知道的話趕快想想你怎麼回答
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1 Mary loves John.
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2 John loves Mary.
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我想答案會是1吧！Mary既為主詞，所以該句
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03/09 23:08, , 38F
Who loves John? 的who也應是主詞囉！
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根據wh +S+V 之公式，wh就是who,
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03/09 23:08, , 40F
主詞...還是who! 動詞loves
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正解應為 I was wondering who loves John.
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超長篇大論啊！希望能讓您明白@@
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其實這個問題，我想很多第一志願的學生也不太清楚呢！
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上面打錯@@"因為who本是love的受詞"
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03/09 23:27, , 45F
有時候who後面看起來沒有倒裝的感覺，
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因為who就是主詞的關係...隨堂測驗！
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03/09 23:28, , 47F
I want to know...Who is in the living room?
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03/09 23:28, , 48F
因為你會回答Mary is in the living room. who是主詞
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得證！答案就大膽回答
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03/09 23:29, , 50F
I want to know Who is in the living room.
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03/09 23:29, , 51F
如果硬要倒裝，就會出現
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I want to know who in the living room is了
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這真是個可怕的句子@@(囧rz)
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L大引導有方，教學相長，拍個手！！！
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are +1 (L大用wh-movement的觀點解釋，太棒了)
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03/14 10:51, , 56F
樓上B大也是念語言學的同伴呢~話說L大讓我想到死亡筆記本
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03/21 13:46, , 57F
我的看法是I was wondering (that)+ NP 如果不把that這個
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complementizer省略掉的話 學生應該比較能理解
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我後來想想 其實第一句 跟第二句的結構好像不太 一樣
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03/21 14:30, , 60F
第一句是的Ｃ是who 第二句的Ｃ是that但省略掉了
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03/21 14:38, , 61F
然後第一句的who其實就是關係代名詞　只是先行詞省略
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03/21 14:41, , 62F
先行詞其實就是the person 因為who的先行詞只能用人
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03/21 14:50, , 63F
因為母語人士知道　who/whom一定指人　所以先行詞就省了
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03/21 15:07, , 64F
我搞混了＠＠應該是二句都省略了that跟先行詞
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03/21 15:13, , 65F
至於本文的問題　一定是用are agreement所要看的本來 　
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本來就是根據 Head NP(數狀圖裡最上層的ＮＰ)來做變化
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Ex: the woman who has two children "is"
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只能說有些老師只會靠死背文法書來教文法　才會堅持是is
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