Re: 實驗室的大學生

看板PhD (博士班)作者lerudit (l'Erudit)時間18年前 (2006/03/08 02:45)推噓1(1推 0噓 0→)

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※ 引述《SmileFace (@ Ann Arbor)》之銘言： : 我認為你在為這些大學生不負責任找理由 : （對不起，話說得重了一些） : 如果這些美國學生真懂得如何說No.. : 不是找一些莫名其妙的理由搪塞 : 想拒絕就直接說，這不是我感興趣的 : 而不是三不五時給你出個狀況 : （這種行為比較像台灣學生肚爛人的作法） : 我這個人的原則是 : 絕對不assign給別人片段的工作 : 今天要給他們的工作 : 並沒有什麼technical sensitive的層面 : 雖然簡單，卻也是project裡面獨立的一小部分 : 除了將來的journal 掛名外 : 老闆也可以寫得出很具體的推薦信 : 對於想申請medical school的這些大學生 : 我實在看不出有什麼不值得好好努力的地方 : （這些話我也在一開始就跟他們說了） : 另外，我在台灣跟美國都待過 : wonderful party 在晚上 : 跟我在daytime 要他們幫忙整理資料有什麼關係？ : （而且這些事情整個流程run 完也不要他們兩小時） : 更何況這些學生一直跟我說要我找點事情給他們做 : 就算是跑腿也好 Hi, maybe you are right. I would just share what I have seen in my place. I personally have never cared such things, and even no body cared this problem in my lab. Nobody argued or complained such things. I have even seen senior research fellows (or you may called them post-doctors) doing experimental work by themselves, although they did supervisor students. There are always good students and not good students everywhere. So what? They are paying tutition fee to study; not like contractors that you can always ask the results. Yes, if they work hard and achieve something, this would appear on their CV or recommendation. However, somebody cares this and some doesn't; or might be they have another much more important thing to do. Whatever reasons they can give, I would say "that's ok, see you later, have fun", with smile face. Sometimes, I did really envy them, who have a party to waste their young and bright lives but rather in a cool and quiet laboratory. The other excuses might be shopping, taking care of kids, staying with boy/girl, see parents, etc. I never suspected those excuses were real or not. Just a little suggestions (if you don't agree me, just forget lines below): 1. Whatever PhD or not PhD, undergraduates or postgraduates, they are people. 2. Believe people, if they obviously are not harmful to you. They say party tonight, isn't that reasonable to have an afternoon to prepare for their interested or beloved girls/boys? Have you seen 'Back to the Future'? The girl might be his wife in the future. Quite nice, isn't it. 3. Do not assume students should be whatever good or as good as you (I know Taiwanese usually do so, but I don't like this). You provides the opportunities of learning; to learn to what extent is up to the students. 4. Do not always think something is 'good for you', THEREFORE, 'you got to do it'. This is not a sort of democracy or proper education. Again, I know lot of Taiwanese doing this, and I just don't like this since I was a kid. 5. Similarly, you think 'F=ma' is really very important and everybody must be able to answer that in a second even when waken up in their dream. How can you know if some of them are thinking 'E=MC^2' when they are not listening to you in your lectures or lab works? It doesn't have to be 'E=MC^2', even a new idea can make them success in their life. I know Mr Gates is much richer than Dr Me, and he sponsors a lot of research work. How about you? contribute more? I hope so. Above all, same words again. Always see the bright side and do your own job. The way to a PhD is really hard, like climbing a mountain. I don't know how I could survive, if I did not have the patience and the good mood... Don't complain and good luck. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 82.22.91.213 ※ 編輯: lerudit 來自: 82.22.91.213 (03/08 03:30)