Re: 博士班學生之間的勾心鬥角
※ 引述《SmileFace (櫻花謝了鬱金香開了)》之銘言：
: 我老闆是美國人
: 剛進實驗室時，他也是說直接叫他first name
: 甚至還把William簡稱做Will
: 不過，當你叫他Professor XXX時
: 他也不會指正你，雖然還是在講事情
: 不過會發現多了一些教學熱誠
: 而且不止我老闆
: 在我工做的地方，發現當老師還是沒沒無名的小頭時
: 你愛怎麼叫都可以
: 但一旦他當到Professor或XX director時
: 對於名號頭銜的稱呼突然就便得很care了
: 也許是我的sample size不大
: 所以我也有bias :P
Hi, I am not saying you are wrong. Just try to clarify something.
I did not do my degree in the US. I did not recognise they were always the best
in the world. Conversely, I do recognise they are quite poor at some aspects.
Anyway... personally...
In the beginning, I was doing the same as you
--- calling them Dr.xxx, Prof.XXX, etc.
Initially, they did not correct me. A few weeks later, I received an email
concerning this from my supervisor. He stressed this, because this is quite
important and that was his job to tell me that.
Since then, I have never called any member in our group by title, unless
I was introducing them to somebody out of the group or taught course students.
There were some exceptions. To the member out of the group, we will call them
title and last name, in the very first time we see each other ---- like you
got to say 'How do you do?' rather than 'How are you?'. Once konwing more
of each other, we don't do it any more. Else, they will think they never known
you.
Another well-known exception is to PhD oral examination examiners.
In the examination,
the difference between the candidate and examiners is very clear --- somebody
is going to be a doctor, probably next week or next few months. This means
the candidate is NOT a doctor. So, in that situation, the candidate would
call all the examiners their titles and last names,
even some examiners are actually internal examiners.
Similarly, when you pass the examiner, they will say:
Congratuation, Dr xxx and then shake your hand.
After that, everybody is called by their first names.
Back to the point, in EU, we are not doing that like you said in the US.
This is not just I am saying. This has been written down and stressed in
almost all of the PhD methodology books there.
To call supervisor their first name is not only a culture; it is also very
meaningful in the training. Most of the inlands students do that from the
first day joining the group. Some of the overseas students do that few weeks
from their first time meeting the supervisor. However, if you are still doing
this after a year, then...... I won't say you are wrong, but quite weird.
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Yes, there is no rule saying students cannot call their supervisors titles and
last names. However, this is unusual there. As I mentioned, there are some
very formal situation that that could be required. However, regular discussion
or chat is not the case. Like..
A: Sir, how is going? Sir.
B: Very well, Dr No. Have you got a nice weekend? Doctor.
A: Oh, yes, very good. Thank you, Sir. We went out on Saturday. I quite
delighted in walking in the sunshine, Sir. And I found a fish'n'chips shop,
Sir. You won't believe, Sir. There was a servant from Chinese.
B: Doctor, are you sure? Doctor. Never seen this before. Doctor, have you
ever done some survey about how many percentage of fish'n'chips shops in
this country have foreign servants?
A: Sir, Excuse me, Sir. We don't talk about science in pub. XD... Sir. XD.
B: XD.
...
Oh, com'on. What are they doing? ...
※ 編輯: lerudit 來自: 81.111.56.53 (05/14 00:50)
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