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Re: [問題] sublease違約

看板studyabroad (留學)作者 (wisdom)時間14年前 (2011/08/25 10:58), 編輯推噓-3(4推 7噓 78→)
留言89則, 15人參與, 最新討論串11/14 (看更多)
haha I think the landlord (or tenants) can file Civil Complaint (in Maryland,we call Form DC/CV1)......................... who will win? 350 might be reasonable if and only if the tenantshould pay.... A lease obligates you to pay rent through the end of the lease. If you break your lease, the landlord can hold you responsible for the rent due through the remainder of the lease. However, a landlord is required to make a reasonable effort to re-rent the apartment to limit losses (Efforts Provision:善良管理者之義務) If the landlord is able to re-rent the unit, you are only responsible for the rent until the date the new tenant moves in. However, a landlord with multiple vacant units is not required to put a new tenant into the unit you have vacated. Also, a landlord can hold you responsible for costs of re-renting, such as advertising for a new tenant. so the short-term (seasonal) lease is 2 months... I use 2 months into calculation. Notice: notice to terminate lease ............... I think the tenant has done so... (and I don't think they have this provision. so it is not the issue..... ※ 引述《allfail (我要xx了)》之銘言： : ※ 引述《wisdomtanya (wisdom)》之銘言： : : normally breaking a lease costs 1 month rent=715 : : the standard lease term is 1 month : : and in this case 2 month : : so 715*2/12=119 : : so 350 is unbelieveable ........ : : according to Maryland's law (for assuming your state is the same) : : the max security is 2 month rent..... : : so 119*2=238 : : so 350 still too high : 1. Things are not scalable this way. In general, the shorter the term, : the more expensive the cancellation fee would be. : 2. Even if you follow this scaling, you can only count the days that : both sides agree that the apartment is not leased. From the conversation : record we can see that our rentee did not decide not to rent until quite : late in the process. There is no reason he can "rewind" and refuse to : pay for the days before the decision. And there is usually a period between : your moveout date and the date you let the landlord know about it. : 3. The problem is not really about money. It has already been said; I don't : think there is a valid contract since sublease is illegal. The real problem : is about the responsibility; the OP seems to think somehow he does not have : to be fully responsible for the loss of $700 for the two people combined : due to he's not showing up. That is simply not right. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 173.79.218.122
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08/25 11:40, , 1F
所以你執意要跳針就是了 今天就算sublease真的不合法
08/25 11:40, 1F
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08/25 11:41, , 2F
這位學弟做的事讓人不爽很正常，學長也沒說要告他
08/25 11:41, 2F
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08/25 11:41, , 3F
也沒辦法逼他一定要給錢，只是說大不了以後不聯絡
08/25 11:41, 3F
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08/25 11:42, , 4F
學弟上來純粹討拍 要人家說他沒錯增加他的信心
08/25 11:42, 4F
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08/25 11:43, , 5F
被噓剛好，不過他至少找到了你back him up.算是達成目地
08/25 11:43, 5F
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08/25 11:46, , 6F
我只是站在法律上角度探討....你是在兇什
08/25 11:46, 6F
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08/25 11:49, , 7F
nobody said aqwe is definitely legally correct
08/25 11:49, 7F
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08/25 11:50, , 8F
why are you so eager to discredit him?
08/25 11:50, 8F
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08/25 11:53, , 9F
法律課上的討論本來就是這樣 我只是就我認知提出看法
08/25 11:53, 9F
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08/25 11:53, , 10F
法律上有什麼好探討的 連約都沒簽
08/25 11:53, 10F
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08/25 11:55, , 11F
完全不懂P兄有什麼權利罵W兄
08/25 11:55, 11F
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08/25 11:56, , 12F
少充滿情緒字眼 ...
08/25 11:56, 12F
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08/25 11:58, , 13F
之前就說過...法律上本來就對口頭上說要承租的人沒有約
08/25 11:58, 13F
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08/25 11:59, , 14F
束力... 而且也沒必要講法律 今天是有人要告誰嗎？
08/25 11:59, 14F
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08/25 11:59, , 15F
不付350，會影響credit score嗎？會坐牢嗎？什麼都不會
08/25 11:59, 15F
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08/25 12:00, , 16F
只是有可能影響自己的人際關係... 這點你拿法律出來
08/25 12:00, 16F
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08/25 12:00, , 17F
是有幫到什麼？ 用法律幫他找回學長的關愛？
08/25 12:00, 17F
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08/25 12:00, , 18F
who is him? aqwe? I don't know both parties....
08/25 12:00, 18F
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08/25 12:02, , 19F
so 不用討論了 就來濫罵就可以了???
08/25 12:02, 19F
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08/25 12:03, , 20F
你討論的東西有什麼意義？學長違法？所以去檢舉他吧
08/25 12:03, 20F
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08/25 12:06, , 21F
學弟沒錯？ 所以不用付350?
08/25 12:06, 21F
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08/25 12:06, , 22F
他不爽不用付350你知我知獨眼龍也知 又啥好討論的
08/25 12:06, 22F
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08/25 12:09, , 23F
此事件的發生地似乎是在NY state，要討論也用NY州規定討論
08/25 12:09, 23F
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08/25 12:09, , 24F
較有實益
08/25 12:09, 24F
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08/25 12:10, , 25F
我倒很樂意知道，多點法律常識不錯阿:) 不需要這麼衝吧
08/25 12:10, 25F
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08/25 12:11, , 26F
ha.the issue here is if the amount 350 is reasonab
08/25 12:11, 26F
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08/25 12:13, , 27F
我從頭就認為 沒有法律效力 not binding
08/25 12:13, 27F
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08/25 12:13, , 28F
since there are no legal issues, because nobody is
08/25 12:13, 28F
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08/25 12:14, , 29F
going to court, whether or not it is reasonable
08/25 12:14, 29F
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08/25 12:14, , 30F
不然美國那麼多州 是否來個轉租規定總整理 讓大家了解清楚
08/25 12:14, 30F
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08/25 12:15, , 31F
is purely subjective.
08/25 12:15, 31F
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08/25 12:16, , 32F
or...as you've so aptly pointed out, he can refuse
08/25 12:16, 32F
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08/25 12:17, , 33F
to pay any amount, and he would still be in good
08/25 12:17, 33F
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08/25 12:18, , 34F
legal standing.
08/25 12:18, 34F
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08/25 12:18, , 35F
But that's not going to stop ppl being pissed
08/25 12:18, 35F
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08/25 12:28, , 36F
你不是自己都說 沒有 約束力????...那期待我說什
08/25 12:28, 36F
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08/25 13:01, , 37F
這樣都能戰..... I 服了 you ~~~
08/25 13:01, 37F
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08/25 13:09, , 38F
題外話,整篇+推文文法錯好多,w老兄你還是打中文吧...XD
08/25 13:09, 38F
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08/25 13:14, , 39F
樓上害我在仔細檢查自己的文法= =
08/25 13:14, 39F
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08/25 14:23, , 40F
為什麼明明可以打中文還硬要打英文？自曝其短？
08/25 14:23, 40F
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08/25 18:41, , 41F
cool... now English becomes an issue....
08/25 18:41, 41F
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08/25 22:01, , 42F
砍了一篇又來一篇喔?
08/25 22:01, 42F
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08/25 22:13, , 43F
so what is ur point? I just tried to explain sth.
08/25 22:13, 43F
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08/25 22:16, , 44F
整篇根本就不是法律問題 是做人問題
08/25 22:16, 44F
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08/25 22:17, , 45F
試問你敢不敢借錢給這位學弟？ 你不寫借據的話
08/25 22:17, 45F
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08/25 22:21, , 46F
你會不會怕他跟你說 學長請你高抬貴手 上次跟你借的錢
08/25 22:21, 46F
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08/25 22:21, , 47F
有點多？ 可不可以晚一點再還？ 法律上當然有得吵啊
08/25 22:21, 47F
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08/25 22:22, , 48F
錢的case可能不一樣 除非現金交易 不然銀行都會有記錄
08/25 22:22, 48F
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08/25 22:23, , 49F
但是人跟人之間的互動互信完全都被破壞了
08/25 22:23, 49F
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08/25 22:23, , 50F
你講法律問題當然可以 包含我在內板友都願意知道更多
08/25 22:23, 50F
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08/25 22:24, , 51F
只是你的寫法會讓人不爽 像是開頭的haha...
08/25 22:24, 51F
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08/25 22:25, , 52F
就讓人覺得你好像在替討拍拍的原po背書
08/25 22:25, 52F
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08/25 22:28, , 53F
鄉民這麼多總有人看得不爽吧 噓你也是正常會發生的事
08/25 22:28, 53F
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08/25 22:30, , 54F
對 我就是不爽的一個，請你用法律告訴我為什麼我不能對
08/25 22:30, 54F
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08/25 22:30, , 55F
你不爽...
08/25 22:30, 55F
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08/25 22:32, , 56F
不是說不能純討論法律角度，只是你今天的寫法就是: A本
08/25 22:32, 56F
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08/25 22:33, , 57F
來說要給B$$$，後來又不給。B沒有錯因為沒有法律上的問
08/25 22:33, 57F
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08/25 22:34, , 58F
提(沒有契約)，A賣得東西不合法(工廠流出品) 所以B不用
08/25 22:34, 58F
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08/25 22:34, , 59F
想跟A拿錢
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08/25 22:34, , 60F
第二個AB搞反= =
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08/25 22:35, , 61F
請注意用詞！不要觸犯版規
08/25 22:35, 61F
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08/25 22:35, , 62F
所以上法庭誰會贏？哈哈！
08/25 22:35, 62F
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08/25 22:36, , 63F
說要給又不給....舉世皆然的會讓人不開心吧？
08/25 22:36, 63F
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08/25 22:38, , 64F
一句話:學弟想黑吃黑(如果SUBLEASE不合法)
08/25 22:38, 64F
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08/25 22:39, , 65F
學弟想白吃白(如果SUBLEASE合法)
08/25 22:39, 65F
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08/25 22:40, , 66F
他就是想不付!!!!
08/25 22:40, 66F
噓
08/25 22:56, , 67F
#1CJLD2Po 不是很愛講倫理道德?
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08/25 22:56, , 68F
看來有人要學 情緒管理了 hahahahahaha
08/25 22:56, 68F
噓
08/25 22:59, , 69F
搞不清楚狀況 主要的問題根本跟法律無關
08/25 22:59, 69F
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08/25 23:02, , 70F
我覺得 兩造當初都想便宜行事 才會此結果...
08/25 23:02, 70F
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08/25 23:05, , 71F
就算跟法律無關 so what? 我就不能 探討嗎/?
08/25 23:05, 71F
噓
08/25 23:46, , 72F
噓也是一種探討囉
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08/26 00:55, , 73F
to learn how to respectis important...
08/26 00:55, 73F
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08/26 01:00, , 74F
就法律上來說 沒有respect 完全合法阿 :)
08/26 01:00, 74F
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08/26 01:03, , 75F
haha..........childish....
08/26 01:03, 75F
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08/26 01:10, , 76F
別人在談尊重你講法律 跟你講法律就開始人身攻擊囉
08/26 01:10, 76F
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08/26 01:16, , 77F
haha.. do u really want to talk about legal issues
08/26 01:16, 77F
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08/26 01:22, , 78F
or just want to put opposite words...
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噓
08/26 01:41, , 79F
childish算不算人身攻擊的字眼呢? 科科
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08/26 02:43, , 80F
w到底是真懂還是裝懂啊？之前第1篇貼了違約金只有一個月的
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08/26 02:44, , 81F
2/12,因為只違約兩個月,後面法律條文應該就不用再拿出來現了
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08/26 02:45, , 82F
然後還說我學校宿舍兩人房合法住五個人也太鬆了,你住海邊嗎？
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08/26 02:54, , 83F
第一2/12 不是拿違約兩個月 是法定最高security限制
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08/26 02:58, , 84F
我知道是第一2/12,你不要跳針,且不知道幹嘛扯違約金,大家明明
08/26 02:58, 84F
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08/26 02:58, , 85F
就再討論房租如果沒有入住應該要付多少錢
08/26 02:58, 85F
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08/26 03:04, , 86F
第二 您認為deposit是不可refundable這還需要討論
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08/26 03:07, , 87F
第三 我覺得貴校要求寬鬆 這只是 我的看法 不能發表嗎
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08/26 03:24, , 88F
那我問你我房子押金150,違約兩個月,請高見一下我拿回多少合理
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08/26 04:09, , 89F
W的跳針行為才是childish...講尊重你一直講法律= =
08/26 04:09, 89F
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