Re: [Talk] The Purpose of Morality

看板EngTalk (全英文聊天)作者BloodLust801 (就是要虐到神經崩潰)時間16年前 (2009/10/29 23:16)推噓1(1推 0噓 3→)

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: However, on the general I still don't agree with Nihilism. About 99% of people : who insists Nihilism are those morally corrupted. I never see any decent : people or saints who believe in Nihilism. So, why Nihilism? Coz it's easier.. : to be corrupted according to our human nature. Then why promote those? : I don't get it, and I don't think Nihilism necessarily lead us to a better : society because it only creat chaos. When Hitler's ideas are justified it's : just dangerous. Imagine if he killed Einstein, then what a great loss we : have in the discoveries of sciences?? Hitler isn't a nihilist. He's Christian. And he loves science so I don't think he would've killed Einstein. Look at all those experiments he conducted before. Those are some cruel experiments but I won't deny that I'm slightly curious about the results. Slightly. The problem is that I'm not all too hot about experimenting on living subjects. : I have an intuition that Nihilists are merely trying to protect themselves : by their selfish nature. Most of them were judged so they created this idea : to escape judgements. : I believe some aspects they should not be judged, (for : example, homosexuality) but I cannot accept a murderer should have no guilt : or no need to be sentenced. If you really put a Nihilist into the : murderer's jail, I bet they will twist their belief system and yell that : "Gosh please save me, don't let the murderer kill me for no reason! : I oppose to Nihilism now..." ha , coz these people often change their mind : when there's a threat to their survival and turn to benefits." Nihilists are mostly suicidal. They don't think there's a purpose to life and most of them commit suicide because they find this world meaningless. Therefore, they don't give a damn about survival. In fact, they'd love to die because they think there's no point wasting their time and energy on a meaningless world. You don't have to kill them--they'll kill themselves. I'm just one of those exceptions (but there's an increasing number of exceptions. ) because my personal standards conflict with suicide. I think it's just escaping. If I'm here, I'm here. I'll live out a meaningless life and I'll show the world it's possible to live while believing that life is meaningless. My parents spent so much effort on raising me and I'd hate to break their hearts by doing something stupid. Even if everything is meaningless, I still feel things no matter how meaningless everything is. Nihilists don't have loyalties but they will stay nihilists precisely since they have no loyalties. It's really hard to understand if you're not a nihilist. We change sides because we're always looking for flaws in some belief as we don't agree with any belief. Since we think there is no absolute we can stand on either side and argue for either side but in the end we don't think there's a correct answer, which is why I said we don't have any loyalties. A lot of nihilists actually started out having very strong opinions, and in a sense we still have very strong opinions because we strongly think that there is no absolute and we argue for that. The only reason we became nihilists was because we started to think about how to prove we were right and we realized that no matter how hard we tried we can't prove anything, so we settled on being nihilists. We still have our own set values but we think that everything has no value, even our own values have no value. But that doesn't mean we will give up our own values. We're happy following our inner law while believing that everything is of equal value and thus of no value. Well, that's just some of us anyway. Another group of nihilists are those suicidal extreme pessimists who eventually kill themselves because they think living is meaningless and they aren't able to live a meaningless, purposeless life. Even I find it hard to be motivated but I'm never going to escape with suicide. I won't deny that a lot of people do use nihilistic views to justify their doings, but here I must add that a lot of people also use religious beliefs to justify their actions. For example, there are also a lot of delusional people who think that they kill in the name of god and they really believe that god talks to them. I personally know someone who planned and murdered his best friend in school (we were 8th grade at that time) and he had a to-kill list that included his sister. In his diary he drew Nazi symbols and he wrote: "Always believe in God." Lovely, isn't he? And no one knew there was anything wrong with him. Blind believers who are homophobic think that by killing homosexuals they are doing the world a favor, that they are bringing the hammer of justice on those innocent gays. These people also feel no guilt in what they do-- they actually feel proud of what they did. So, I'm glad you're a enlightened Christian but I'd say at least over 70% of Christians aren't so enlightened. I think people should follow Nietszche's immoralism and overhuman theory, but I myself am a nihilist and Nietszche does not like nihilists because he also thinks that nihilism will bring the world down. Whatever. : I did changed. My values weren't the same as when I was a teenager. : Sometimes serious strike of illness or natural disaster will push people : through enlightment. You changed yourself. Congratulations, I guess. I didn't say it's impossible to change yourself. I said people can only change themselves so we really aren't disagreeing on anything here. I meant it's impossible to change someone else so there's no point preaching to people who don't want to listen or who don't really want to change anyway. They may claim they want to change but deep down inside they don't really care or they don't want to change. Not enough will power. When there's not enough will power it's because they don't really want to change. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 118.160.174.42 ※ 編輯: BloodLust801 來自: 118.160.174.42 (10/29 23:17)