Re: [Mind] No Culture...I am angry today.

看板EngTalk (全英文聊天)作者BloodLust801 (就是要虐到神經崩潰)時間16年前 (2009/10/20 02:48)推噓2(2推 0噓 3→)

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Dude, I have to say...All sorts of shitheads exist in this world, whether they're American, Taiwanese, French, British...you get my point. There's really no reason to be ashamed to be Taiwanese, though I do admit that I am not particularly fond of the human race either. The grass is always greener on the other side. Anyhow, every culture has its own pros and cons, and although I agree that some Taiwanese rich brats and smartasses are indeed annoying, egoistic jerks, I think this lack of compassion within rich/smart/successful people is not really a cultural thing, but rather a common pattern in human nature regardless of race and nationality. Not that there aren't compassionate rich people in this world, but you know, the possibility of a person to be both filthy rich AND compassionate is... well. Pretty slim. Of course, they still have to donate and do charity and all because they're so fucking rich (from avoiding tax, perhaps?) and they have to maintain a good reputation. Rich, powerful saints? Maybe they DO exist. But how the hell do we know if they're just maintaining a false reputation for the sake of reputation, or if they truly are decent? We'll never be able to know. Reality is reality. Not being able to understand this is just being plain immature. People change. It's the same everywhere in the world. Can compassion earn you bread? No. Bread first, compassion later. How do you earn your bread? By stepping on others. By taking a job, you eliminate someone else's chance of getting that job. Maybe that person desperately needs money to take care of his/her family. We never know. But should you give up this opportunity you have spent a considerable amount of time and effort earning and preparing for, just because you aren't sure whom amongst your countless competitors are in grave situations? No. Unless you're just plain stupid. You'll never get a job because they'll always be someone who is in grave need of a job. If you give up the opportunity, maybe some other dude who is also pretty well off will get the job instead of the one who really needs a job. Having too much compassion is just stupid. Go ahead and say that I have no culture or whatever, but you'll realize that if thinking selfless compassion is stupid = having no culture, then there is no such thing as culture in the world. Of course there are more important things than just plain success, though it really depends on what a person values more. What right do you have to place judgment on the decisions of others? Anyhow, the Devil Wears Prada does a pretty good job portraying differences in values, how there's no right or wrong in the final decision, and the consequences thereof. You can't have both. Oh yeah, is the "Devil" Taiwanese? No. However, regardless of what a person values, humans are programmed to survive, don't you forget that. It's not just in Taiwan. It's the same everywhere. Don't know where the hell you got the idea that only Taiwanese "justify" this "evilness". As for morality and whatnot... There is a philosophy called Moral Nihilism - the belief that there is no good and evil, that there is no such thing as morality. Morality is not relative, as there is no fine line between what is correct and what is not. People's opinions differ based on their viewpoints. I'm more of an existential nihilist so I don't particularly agree or disagree with moral nihilists, but I'm just saying that some people don't give enough shit about morality anymore, whether they're rich or smart or successful or not. The originator of Moral Nihilism? Obviously not some Taiwanese smartass. What is up with you and thinking that Taiwanese don't give a damn about morality and loyalty and whatever? Ever heard of that old geezer Confucius? FYI Confucian Values plays a critical role in Taiwanese Culture. Anyhow, the type of personality you are describing is called "antisocial personality." Real antisocial people, by the psychological definition, are the type of people you are describing. They use others, they hurt others, and they don't feel a shred of guilt doing so. They don't give a flying fuck about whether they have real friends or not, therefore the emotion called "loneliness" does not touch them. They aren't necessarily rich, and again, people with antisoocial personalities aren't limited to Taiwanese. Therefore, it is rather inaccurate to say that these rich/smart Taiwanese "have no culture." It just doesn't sound right to my ears. The best you can say is that they have no manners or no etiquette, that they have low-ass EQs. Not to start a flamewar or whatever but... Despite the little note in the bottom of your rant, I still get a strong feeling that you look down on the Taiwanese in Taiwan--just because you've lived in the States before. Exactly how much do you know about the States? Have you met selfish, self-centered Drama Kings/Queens in the States before? Man, they exist in greater flocks and they come in all sorts of colors (their so-called "personality"). Oh, don't get me wrong-- I wholeheartedly agree with you that the Taiwanese education shit system produces a twisted value and destroys personality. However, I don't really think that many Americans with so-called personalities have very endearing personalities either. In the first place, conformity exists everywhere. Conformity is a limitation on personality. Americans simply chose which "clique" they wanted to be in and molded their personalities accordingly during middle/high school. In middle/high school, they were shit-scared of falling into the loser category so they conformed to a certain standard. High school stereotypes, if you will. Not a particularly admirable system to develop personality but...I guess it sort of works to create some limited diversity. Of course, these little kiddie-plays don't exist in College, at least according to my friends and my sister. As for money...hell, you don't know how stuck-up those Americans can be when it comes to money. Everyday in school, you are observed--the way you dress, the way you eat, what you eat, etc. If you don't dress well...WELCOME TO THE LOSER CROWD. Who are the popular? The best dressed and better looking. They aren't necesarily smart--hell, they can be dumb as fuck for all I know--but you know what? They're RICH (or at least well off). They wear brand clothing. They drive sweet cars. They party and drink and think they're THE shit. They look down on those who aren't dressed well (even if said people can't afford to dress well)...though, of course, movies and television dramas exaggerate. No matter what race and what country--the rich will be the rich 90% of the time. Luckily, the best part of school in the States is that you don't need to personally know those "popular" people who think they're THE shit too well. Most rich kids go to private schools anyway, when they go to college they mostly hang out with the people of the same class. And they don't hang out with Asians, unless said Asians are white-washed and rich too. And passable looking. Normally people group together by race. It's just a connection thing. (Not like I feel connected to the Taiwanese in Taiwan either.) But man, you said you were ashamed to be Taiwanese? Did you need to go that far? Of course, there are still a lot of decent people in the States. I'm just pointing out the negative aspects of the fruits of their "culture" because it seems like you idealize American culture a bit too much. Also, acting snobby just because one is intelligent is not a trait limited to Taiwanese smartasses. If you are as much of a geek as I am and surf forums from time to time, you'll realize how many "elitists" exist in the world. Smartasses will remain smartasses, regardless of race and nationality. Conclusion? All sorts of shitheads exist everywhere in the world. There is no such thing as superior or inferior cultures. I am sort of disgusted by the way you bashed the entire Taiwanese culture. It's not that I don't have my own long lists of complaints against Taiwanese culture myself, but the way how you seemingly placed American Culture above Taiwanese Culture--that just killed me. That really killed me. I think it's pretty insulting to Taiwanese people how you generalized their culture based on a fucktard, and that it was pretty hypocritical of you to write-off the entire Taiwanese Culture as the blame of what you've experienced when the cause was really simply one fucktard. Or several fucktards. Either way, it's still not sufficient enough to write the entire Taiwanese Culture off. Which is why, earlier on, I said I sensed this holier-than-thou vibe from you, a similar vibe you were describing about those "rich, smart successful Taiwanese". I think this...how do I put it...this superiority is a disease that afflicts many Taiwanese who have lived out of country before. I think it's pretty sad that a portion of Taiwanese reject their own culture and idolize Western culture when things really aren't THAT good. Sorry if this reply was offensive, cynical, and prickly-- but I just don't look kindly upon people who think one culture is better than the other. You didn't offend me but you did piss me off. Writing that sort of thing is bound to have repercussions. ※ 引述《celestial09 (celestial)》之銘言： I have to admit that I am ashamed of being a race of human being, especially being a Taiwanese. Even this kind of people appears everywhere in every country, I have to admit in Taiwan it is more harsh and apparent than in the US. It's almost a Cultural thing to some aspect. Some of my affluent/well-off , rich, smart friends, even relatives do not have a compassionate heart. They brag about their pocessions, step on others to get ahead, by igniting their aggressive nature to beat others and feel themselves superior. They judge others based on superficial achievements, such as power, status, money, degree etc... They appear arrogant and smash others' ego whenever they get a chance to do so. They criticize, judge, speak mean words of no constructions to hurt others' feelings and then feel good about themselves. Those smart-ass especially thinks so. They think others are stupid, and themselves superior. They have no respect for every human being but a crappy and wretched self-esteem deep down inside. As a Cognitive Science major, I feel those people who deeply feel insecure has the tendency to try to put others down in order to satisfy their poor self-esteem. Even they appear arrogant and superior, in fact they are an object of pity. Observing carefully and investigate their background, you will find those aspects that they feel superior about are what they desire most and have a lack of those beforehand. Live is a long term journey, and I believe this kind of snobbish and selfish thoughts, will gain them no respect nor true friends. They can gain material success or short-term status/power, yet they never win others'heart in the long term. A good prediction is that those smart-ass often have poor marriage life, superficial friends based on benefits, and solitary existence. They do not have a sincere and true heart to earn a life-long friend or true lover. They have no concepts of sacrifice, loyalty, sympathy and compassion. Birds of a feather flock together, so those smart-asses gather with people similar/alike. Among these smart-asses they trap and trick each other, jealous of and compete with each other. Their precautious and insincere nature makes them no real friends. They appear to be affluent and having lots of acquaintances, but deep down inside they know no one they can count on. They have high IQ, but low intelligence of compassion. They crush others' ego from time to time, without even feeling guilty. That's why they are always lonely, even they are surrounded with people. And things turn back to them. What they gained is hatred and resentment from others. Even they win the whole world, including the power they want, they will eventually lose their soul. Those smart-ass often think people with integrity and compassion are stupid, for they think those decent people focus on things that is of no immediate benefits to themselves. Their Value System is pure logical, like a robot, without flesh and blood. Their only flesh and blood is their self, and selfishness is of top-priority in their dictionary. When they criticize us as stupid, they do not understand that there are things more important in our life other than mere benefits or better chance of survival. In my opinion, they have NO CULTRUE. They are like those nouveau riches. A real educated, nurtured, cultrued human should have a basic respect and kindness to all human beings, regardless of their race, economic status, degree, gender, religion, even sexual-orientation. Alas!! What kind of education system produced this kind of sick and disgusting cultrue? Pure competition without installing characters and moral standards is a pity in our country. The disgusting culture is filled with snobbish and aggressive thoughts, of human evilness. And they justify this evilness by saying that's the realistic life of society. The most successful and decent people I've seen, are not only smart, but also have a heart of gold and intelligence of wisdom. They are compassionate to others and have a sense of contribution. These people earn reputation for the long term, even after they die, and are memorized in the heart of many people. ps. No offense, everybody. I just got pissed off by someone's discourtesy yesterday. I know there are many nice and decent people in Taiwan. :) What I am presenting is only part of our culture. I need to vent anyway...XD ------------------------------------------------------ sometimes, a very simple thought or thing can SMASH complicated/disgusting things. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 75.43.45.68 ※ 編輯: celestial09 來自: 75.43.45.68 (10/13 15:21) ※ 編輯: celestial09 來自: 75.43.45.68 (10/13 15:23) -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 118.160.161.63 ※ 編輯: BloodLust801 來自: 118.160.161.63 (10/20 03:51)