Re: [Mind] No Culture...I am angry today.

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※ 引述《celestial09 (celestial)》之銘言： : ※ 引述《BloodLust801 (就是要虐到神經崩潰)》之銘言： : : I won't say that Taiwanese Culture has more depth than American Culture. : BTw, I will say that Traditional Chinese cultrue has more depth and width : than American popular culture. American popular culture is just superficial. : I personally dislike those. : What I like about American cultrue are those people with decent mind and : a compassionate heart who bring equality and respect for all races and : classes. Those people value character more, rather than superficial status. : Those Americans with deep insights just happen to love me more maybe. : That's why I never feel racism because I only get in touch with these : people. I systematically avoid those that does not belong to my group, and : I never care whether they will like me or not, because I am confident enough : myself to be alone. Sorry. I keep refuting your ideas. It seems that you and I are have very different perspectives on various things. I don't think it's appropriate to compare a Traditional Culture to a Current Culture unless you're analyzing a single culture. I mean...when you really think about it, traditional cultures are actually quite oppressive. It's written down in history and so we look at it instead of experience it, when in truth the Culture is ideal. There are both good and bad things to cultures of different times. Although I also have a long list of complaints against American Culture, I will say this in defense of their short history: It is precisely because of the "lack of depth" in American Culture that they were able to come up with those ideas you so adore. Change comes much more easily because they don't have any deep-rooted culture. That is the American Culture. ※ 引述《celestial09 (celestial)》之銘言： : I believe some values are intrinsic and universal, and it is ok to judge : culture sometimes. When something is morally wrong, there's no arguments. : Deep down we have the conscious of what is right and wrong. We are just : fearful to admit and accept it, because we are just used to survive this way : in the realistic world. My, my, is this turning out into a philosophical debate? Well, values aren't intrinsic and universal because I have disagreed with you and there are people who will disagree with you (the aforementioned moral nihilists, moral skepticists, and non-cognitivism etc). There is no definite basis for judgment, but I am not against the act of judging because that's just built in our human nature. We are programmed to judge others. But there is no truth out of our judgment, there is no answer that represents the truth because what we all perceive is different. Why do people betray? Why do people still use others? Do they feel no guilt? People who believe there is morality would love to think that deep down those traitors and those bastards will feel guilt. But we aren't them. How the hell do we know what they are feeling? How the hell do we know that when they plea for guilty, they really feel guilt or it's just to lessen their punishment? And look at history. What do you see? You see what they valued at that time. We humans have come a long way, but I bet in the past, they truly didn't think they were "wrong" when they did the things we now frown upond. Take the crusades, the witch hunts, the invasions, the torturing, and etcetera as examples. If you want a more current example...some terrorists truly believe what they are doing is "right", whereas most of the world would disagree. And politics. And Underworld Economy (stuff like selling drugs and selling stolen organs etc). I don't think people are fearful to admit or accept what's really "right" and what's really "wrong". If you want to refer to the mass who are blindly accepting what others tell them, I don't think they're afraid of thinking but they just aren't smart enough to think about it. Maybe some do feel guilt, but you can never determine what every human thinks. If there is even one who disagrees, the term "universal" would thus be rendered false and inconsistent. There are so many people in the world, one can never be sure. This is because we humans will never fully understand one another. We don't read minds. Justification. Is it out of rejection and fear or is it out of one's true feelings? How will we ever know? After all, the existence of people who came up with genius ideas like genocide and other things that the vast majority views as "wrong" already nullifies the term "humans share universal values". Yeah... They CAME UP with those ideas. I hardly doubt they're afraid to accept that they are "wrong". But of course, since I am not them either, I will never know the truth. Of course, it's not like I'm against having one's own set of personal values. It makes living slightly more tolerant. Most people want to believe that there is a set of universal values as well, I assure you. But I think it's because they don't want to imagine a world where morality does not exist, they won't ever be able to trust others, and living fearful everyday is just pretty tiresome, if you think about it. My mom, for example, would agree with you. She is horrified that her daughter doesn't agree. But as I said, people will never understand one another, so those who don't agree with me won't ever understand why I don't agree. Eck. What a shitty sentence. Despite all I've typed, I'm just a part of a small minority. Most humans are alike, in the end. So yes, most humans will share values and beliefs. Though, as you probably already noticed, I have a thing against absolute terms. Thinking in absolute terms limits our reasoning. Which is why I settle with: "I don't agree, but I don't think you're wrong either." Yeah. I type long-ass essay-like replies. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 118.168.233.121 ※ 編輯: BloodLust801 來自: 118.168.233.121 (10/22 00:19)