Re: The origin of this affair

看板Biotech (生命科學)作者femto (朝朝暮暮)時間19年前 (2006/12/17 04:14)推噓2(2推 0噓 1→)

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for me there are two main points in your post. 1.a scientific article should be as rigorous as possilbe. in this regard, I total agree with you and CELL editors that a paper with any possible flaw should be retracted. 2.Dr.Chang and Taiwanese resent Chineses for pointing out the "truth". then, I would say most posts in mitbbs are truly offensive for Taiwanse, and they dont mean to discuss science as you described. as for Dr.Chang's "irritating" reply, he mentioned he was angry that he got many rude email from Chinese, since we don't know what are in the email he got, no one can conclude if it is Dr.Chang or those who wrote mail to him are impolite. let's just leave the focus on the first point. ※ 引述《mitbbsuser (mitbbs user)》之銘言： : 1.A Russian researcher in the US first noticed the questionable figures in : the Cell paper and shared this finding with his Chinese labmate. : 2.The Chinese labmate posted the finding on mitbbs, one of the most popular : BBS of oversea Chinese. Frankly speaking, the guy made some harsh allegation : when he posted the thread. However, no one really took action at this step. : 3.After the first several days discussion on mitbbs, people there, mostly : researchers from mainland, think it is better to contact the author first, : instead of contacting the journal directly. : 4.It is impossible to estimate how many people wrote to Dr. Chang and how : they said in those correspondances. : 5.Then someone posted a reply of Dr. Chang, which irritated a lot of people : due to some impolite and improper remarks. : 6.Meanwhile, some people still tried contacting Dr. Chang. But student from : Dr. Chang's lab refused to provide the original data unless they know the : identities of those requesters. : 7.Then some people have to write to the journal but without any allegation. : They just presented what they felt questionable and didn't make any : conclusion in the mails. However, it's still possible that some other people : wrote something else to the journal. : 8.However, before that, another student showed the paper to his PI, who is : a Cell editor. He was angry with what he saw and made a call directly to : Emilie, the Cell editor. This should happen before people wrote to Cell. : 9.At the same time, someone contacted Mike Rossner, a JCB editor, to asked for : his advice. Dr. Rossner confirmed with their finding. : My humble suggestions are : a. Don't make your judgement before you see those figures or do some analysis : yourself, don't trust Dr. Chang's lab only because it is a Taiwan lab. : We are scientists, we should make judgement based on data, not subjective : allegation. : b. Don't blame those researchers from mainland on pointing out some : questionable figures. It just happened to be that those guy who wrote to Cell : are Chinese. They are not against you Taiwan fellows, they tried contacting : Dr. Chang at the very beginning, they desperately tried many different : methods to analyse the figure only because they didn't want to make any : harsh or even wrong observations before they wrote to the journal. : In a word, judge with your own eyes. : Thanks for reading -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 130.126.80.171