Re: [問題] 有關美國新法35 USC 102(b)(2)(c)

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※ 引述《Cortisone (可體松)》之銘言： : 標題: Re: [問題] 有關美國新法35 USC 102(b)(2)(c) : 時間: Thu Apr 12 01:12:05 2018 : : 以下為了閱讀方便分成102(a)(1)和102(a)(2) : : (a)(1) the claimed invention was patented, described in a printed : publication, or in public use, on sale, or otherwise available to the : public before the effective filing date of the claimed invention; : : : (b) EXCEPTIONS.— : : (1) DISCLOSURES MADE 1 YEAR OR LESS BEFORE THE EFFECTIVE FILING DATE OF THE : CLAIMED INVENTION.—A disclosure made 1 year or less before the effective : filing date of a claimed invention shall not be prior art to the claimed : invention under subsection (a)(1) if— : : (A) the disclosure was made by the inventor or joint inventor or by another : who obtained the subject matter disclosed directly or indirectly from the : inventor or a joint inventor; or : : (B) the subject matter disclosed had, before such disclosure, been publicly : disclosed by the inventor or a joint inventor or another who obtained the : subject matter disclosed directly or indirectly from the inventor or a joint : inventor. : : -- : : (a)(2) the claimed invention was described in a patent issued under section : 151 , or in an application for patent published or deemed published under : section 122(b) , in which the patent or application, as the case may be, : names another inventor and was effectively filed before the effective filing : date of the claimed invention. : : (b) EXCEPTIONS.— : : (2) DISCLOSURES APPEARING IN APPLICATIONS AND PATENTS.—A disclosure shall : not be prior art to a claimed invention under subsection (a)(2) if— : : (A) the subject matter disclosed was obtained directly or indirectly from the : inventor or a joint inventor; : : (B) the subject matter disclosed had, before such subject matter was : effectively filed under subsection (a)(2), been publicly disclosed by the : inventor or a joint inventor or another who obtained the subject matter : disclosed directly or indirectly from the inventor or a joint inventor; or : : (C) the subject matter disclosed and the claimed invention, not later than : the effective filing date of the claimed invention, were owned by the same : person or subject to an obligation of assignment to the same person. : : : ※ 引述《PumpkinHead (PumpkinHead)》之銘言： : : 請問版上的各位大大 : : 最近讀到美國新法35 USC 102(b)(2)(c) 新穎性喪失之例外 : : 以下法條原文 : : 102(b)(2) : : Exceptions.- DISCLOSURES APPEARING IN APPLICATIONS AND PATENTS- A disclosure : : shall not be prior art to a claimed invention under subsection (a)(2) if- : : (c) the subject matter disclosed and the claimed invention, not later than the : : effective filing date of the claimed invention, were owned by the the same : : person or subject to an obligation of assignment to the same person. : : 所以說根據這法條一間公司所擁有的專利都不會變成該公司往後專利申請案的先前技術 : : 了嗎 ?? : : 一個專利菜鳥的疑問希望大家不吝指教 : : 謝謝~ : : 如果不符合紅底的部分根本就逃不過102(a)(1)， : : 如果你逃過102(a)(1)，然後又符合102(a)(2)的exception，才可以不被視為prior art : 、被用102打。 : : -- : ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 123.195.2.162 : ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Patent/M.1523466729.A.E7D.html : ※ 編輯: Cortisone (123.195.2.162), 04/12/2018 01:13:23 : 推 PumpkinHead: 謝謝大大的回覆那如果說我今天逃過了102(a)(1) 04/12 20:47 : → PumpkinHead: 102(a)(2)提到prior art是names another inventor 04/12 20:48 : → PumpkinHead: 所以會被102(a)(2)打的話本案應該是用102(b)(1)(B) 04/12 20:50 : → PumpkinHead: 逃過的那本案是否能再用102(b)(2)(B)逃過 04/12 20:52 : : 102(a)(1)的例外是看102(b)(1)(A), 102(b)(1)(B) : 102(a)(2)的例外是看102(b)(2)(A), 102(b)(2)(B), 102(b)(2)(C) : : 就看你手上那件是不是都不會被102 (a)(1)跟102 (a)(2)打到囉 : : 簡單例子就是如果引證案是owned by the same person的、時間點只有六個月前 : 你就符合102(b)(1)(A)，不會被102(a)(1)打；符合102(b)(2)(C)，不會被102(a)(2)打 : : 如果引證案是五年前的，你就只能鼻子摸一摸乖乖破關啦 : ※ 編輯: Cortisone (223.141.72.189), 04/14/2018 00:18:18 : → musicfreshma: 推C大正解 04/14 00:24 "逃過"跟"打到"的說法其實有點模糊所以補充一下若被rejected under 102(a)(1)且prior art也確實滿足102(a)(1)的條件就別想用102(b)(2)(C)做disqualify 若被rejected under 102(a)(2) 先檢查cited reference是否也滿足102(a)(1)的條件若不滿足，且又發現cited reference的assignee就是你家客戶 bingo! 恭喜你可以用102(b)(2)(C)disqualify此cited reference 而不用為了此cited reference做出任何實質的argument and/or amendment 若被rejected under 103 先檢查cited reference是否滿足102(a)(2)且不滿足102(a)(1) 若是，且又發現cited reference的assignee就是你家客戶恭喜你又可以bingo!一次從上面102(b)(2)(c)的玩法應該不難看出對申請策略的好處就是只要你家客戶的先申請案還沒公開 i.e., 不滿足102(a)(1) 都是disqualifiable的 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 61.230.68.153 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Patent/M.1523642085.A.9E6.html ※ 編輯: musicfreshma (61.230.68.153), 04/14/2018 02:15:43