Re: [問題] 關於AGELOC~ 是否為誇大呢?

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※ 引述《swordrainbow (虹)》之銘言： : : → fatcats:直接提出"基因重設"的中文文件或是文宣吧 115.43.156.251 07/20 13:04 : : → fatcats:這樣大家的焦點就會在該公司了~不是針對你 115.43.156.251 07/20 13:04 : : → fatcats:如果提不出中文文件或是文宣商人VS專業 115.43.156.251 07/20 13:05 : : → fatcats:你要消費者相信誰? 115.43.156.251 07/20 13:06 : 因為有人想看文宣所以就PO一下 : http://www.nuskin.com.tw/p/sp/ageloc/page2-2-1.html : 對於ageloc，他聲稱的重設基因，依照上面寫的正確應該說調控基因 : 就前幾篇有提到過，我知道直銷商都跟牛仔一樣忙，因此公司這裡必需要提供 : 正確的教育訓練與資源，畢竟有許多案例是因為上線及公司的教育錯誤 : 致使直銷商被告而無法翻身，而這時公司當初簽約的條款(NS的)又寫到 : 直銷商個人的宣傳話語與公司無關類似的話，這時直銷商就又變成了公司的 : 代罪羔羊，公司並不保護直銷商的，你有事是直接取消直銷商資格， : 也沒了那所謂領一輩子的獎金。因此身為直銷商不要全盤相信公司跟上線說的話 : 你的事不關他的事，請思考過後再行動 : 另外我昨天也查了一下ageloc所引用的部分論文，對於基因調控並沒有提很多 : 反倒是抗氧化的部分引用蠻多篇 : 最後的結論是，這次文宣有點不實(對於重設基因這句話)，有興趣的人可以去提告看看回這篇舊聞，因為昨天有Nuskin的朋友跟我介紹這個產品，但是跟我對生化的瞭解差異甚大，所以特地上網搜尋～ NS的官方文宣的確有提到基因重設的概念，而他們的直銷商的話術，也一再提到，讓基因表現回到剛出廠的狀態。但是保養品可以達到基因層次？人成年之後，基因還會影響皮膚？讓我半信半疑。查了ns文宣上一再引用的兩篇論文：(附上論文大意）並附上一份ns用的ppt http://www.slideshare.net/st7899/ageloc 論文內容 1.Gene Expression Profile of Aging and Its Retardation by Caloric Restriction 摘要： The gene expression profile of the aging process was analyzed in skeletalmuscle of mice. Use of high-density oligonucleotide arrays representing 6347 genes revealed that aging resulted in a differential gene expression pattern indicative of amarked stress response and lower expression ofmetabolic and biosynthetic genes.Most alterations were either completely or partially prevented by caloric restriction, the only intervention known to retard aging in mammals. Tran- scriptional patterns of calorie-restricted animals suggest that caloric restriction retards the aging process by causing a metabolic shift toward increased protein turnover and decreased macromolecular damage. 簡單說是：卡路里跟老化有關連。 2.Caloric Restriction Delays Disease Onset and Mortality in Rhesus Monkeys 在猴子身上實驗對照組 Caloric restriction (CR), without malnutrition, delays aging and extends life span in diverse species; however, its effect on resistance to illness and mortality in primates has not been clearly established. We report findings of a 20-year longitudinal adult-onset CR study in rhesus monkeys aimed at filling this critical gap in aging research. In a population of rhesus macaques maintained at the Wisconsin National Primate Research Center, moderate CR lowered the incidence of aging-related deaths. At the time point reported, 50% of control fed animals survived as compared with 80% of the CR animals. Furthermore, CR delayed the onset of age-associated pathologies. Specifically, CR reduced the incidence of diabetes, cancer, cardiovascular disease, and brain atrophy. These data demonstrate that CR slows aging in a primate species. 大意：控制卡路里攝取，有助減緩老化。我實在不知道這兩篇論文跟「保養品能夠改變基因表現」的關聯在哪裡..... ps.再附上英文版的ppt 裡面確實有提到 http://www.scribd.com/doc/16812783/Joe-Team-Elite "resetting youth gene"的字眼 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 119.77.234.181 ※ 編輯: rabinson 來自: 119.77.234.181 (08/20 03:58)