About Placebo...

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Placebo似乎沒有想像中那麼大的效果。 Cochrane Library 的一篇Review: 《Placebo interventions for all clinical conditions》 (http://www.mrw.interscience.wiley.com/cochrane/clsysrev/articles/ CD003974/frame.html 縮址:http://0rz.tw/LUu02 ) Abstract: Plain language summary It has been widely believed that placebo (dummy) treatments (for example sugar tablets) are associated with substantial effects on a wide range of health problems. However, this belief is not based on evidence from randomised trials that use a placebo treatment for one group of people, while another group receives no treatment. The effect of placebo treatments was studied by reviewing more than 150 such trials covering many types of healthcare problems. Placebo treatments caused no major health benefits, although they possibly had a small effect on outcomes reported by patients, for example pain. Background Placebo interventions are often claimed to improve patient-reported and observer-reported outcomes, but this belief is not based on evidence from randomised trials that compare placebo with no treatment. Objectives To assess the effect of placebo interventions. Search strategy We searched the Cochrane Central Register of Controlled Trials (CENTRAL) (The Cochrane Library Issue 4, 2002), MEDLINE (1966 to 2002), EMBASE (1980 to 2002), Biological Abstracts (1986 to 2002), and PsycLIT (1887 to 2002). We contacted experts on placebo research, and read references in the included trials. Selection criteria We included randomised placebo trials with a no-treatment control group investigating any health problem. Data collection and analysis Two review authors independently assessed trial quality and extracted data. We contacted study authors for additional information. Main results Outcome data were available in 156 out of 182 included trials, investigating 46 clinical conditions. We found no statistically significant pooled effect of placebo in 38 studies with binary outcomes (4284 patients), relative risk 0.95 (95% confidence interval (CI) 0.89 to 1.01). The pooled relative risk for patient-reported outcomes was 0.95 (95% CI 0.88 to 1.03) and for observer-reported outcomes 0.91 (95% CI 0.81 to 1.03). There was heterogeneity (P=0.01) but the funnel plot was symmetrical. There was no statistically significant effect of placebo interventions in the four clinical conditions investigated in three trials or more: pain, nausea, smoking, and depression, but confidence intervals were wide. We found an overall effect of placebo treatments in 118 trials with continuous outcomes (7453 patients), standardised mean difference (SMD) -0.24 (95% CI -0.31 to -0.17). The SMD for patient-reported outcomes was -0.30 (95% CI -0.38 to -0.21), whereas no statistically significant effect was found for observer-reported outcomes, SMD -0.10 (95% CI -0.20 to -0.01). There was heterogeneity (P<0.001) and large variability in funnel plot results even for big trials. There was an apparent effect of placebo interventions on pain (SMD -0.25 (95% CI -0.35 to-0.16)), and phobia (SMD -0.63 (95% CI -1.17 to -0.08)); but also a substantial risk of bias. There was no statistically significant effect of placebo interventions in eight other clinical conditions investigated in three trials or more: nausea, smoking, depression, overweight, asthma, hypertension, insomnia and anxiety, but confidence intervals were wide. Authors' conclusions There was no evidence that placebo interventions in general have clinically important effects. A possible small effect on continuous patient-reported outcomes, especially pain, could not be clearly distinguished from bias. -- 看哪,這論證是極好的:蘇格拉底是人,凡造物都難免要朽壞,所以末了我們知道,蘇格 拉底總要落到死裡面了。從亞里士多德以來的每一個邏輯學家,沒有一個不歡喜這個論證 的。亞里士多德明白的告訴了我們論證形式的道理,因了這個緣故,我們便尊他為邏輯學 的王。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ※ 編輯: daze 來自: 140.112.212.171 (03/26 02:28)

03/26 03:09, , 1F
這真有趣...不過 placebo 測試會用在那些病人身上阿
03/26 03:09, 1F

03/26 03:09, , 2F
總不會人家快死了你還用安慰劑去做實驗吧 XD
03/26 03:09, 2F

03/26 03:12, , 3F
另外常常說如果有「求生意志」的話病就比較容易好
03/26 03:12, 3F

03/26 03:12, , 4F
這種說法有根據嗎?
03/26 03:12, 4F

03/26 03:19, , 5F
所以這篇文章其實滿屌的 找到這麼多敢做no treatment
03/26 03:19, 5F

03/26 03:19, , 6F
的地方 而且是拿安慰劑跟什麼也不幹兩者對照
03/26 03:19, 6F
有些study有"給藥"、"給Placebo"、"no treatment"三個組。 然後被這篇拿出Placebo跟no treatment的資料做分析。 ※ 編輯: daze 來自: 140.112.212.171 (03/26 03:34)

03/26 03:41, , 7F
這還是很屌啊 醫生要怎麼跟病人說他就是不給任何治療
03/26 03:41, 7F

03/26 03:43, , 8F
而且還有幾千個臨床病例耶 總覺得很不可思議
03/26 03:43, 8F

03/26 10:17, , 9F
給一樓E大,通常都是在病人很多,而且需要分批治療的時候
03/26 10:17, 9F

03/26 10:17, , 10F
會進行這樣的實驗,把輪到治療的病人當做實驗組,尚在等
03/26 10:17, 10F

03/26 10:18, , 11F
侯的病人當做對照組來進行
03/26 10:18, 11F

03/26 15:51, , 12F
你是說對主訴疼痛、憂鬱的病患 告訴他們排隊還沒輪到
03/26 15:51, 12F

03/26 15:52, , 13F
聽起來彷彿可行 但是想想又很難跟裡面的分類相配合
03/26 15:52, 13F

01/06 23:28, 7年前 , 14F
這種說法有根據嗎? http://yofuk.com
01/06 23:28, 14F
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